AW: AW: [opencms-dev] Missing element that calls a customizedEventListener

Tue Mar 29 10:18:19 CEST 2005

Hi Bernd, 

> What cache do you mean? The OpenCms Flexcache? You just have to add the
"locale" parameter to the cache
> property, or/and the "param" parameter.
> Or do you mean the Browser cache?
> For dynamically generated pages I always disable browser caching
programmatically, using meta tags AND the 
> HttpServletResponse.
> If you don't do that, you have a problem with dynamic content anyway.

Yes, I mean the FlexCache. If I save the language-decision only as an
attribute in the session, the FlexCache will have no possibility to
distinguish between different language versions. Am I wrong there? As far as
I know the FlexCache can check parameters in the Url, but not the session.
I have static content that I would like to show in different language
versions. So I want them being cached of course, because the content is not
dynamically generated, just distinguished by language.

> And how do you decide what Language to use?
> If you do it with a parameter in the url, the urls are not identically,
and everytime you change language, e.g. > by a click on a button, the new
decision will be saved in the session. If you decide depending on the top
level > domain, the urls are not identical too, and changing the top level
domain will also store the new decision into > the session. But for
different top level domains there will be different sessions anyway.

The user can decide at the start-page by clicking on the language-version
that he likes. This would save the matching attribute in his session. This
would not generate different URLs. Of course I could save the decision also
as a parameter in the URL, but that would not make it a "different" Url, at
least not "different enough" for analysis programs.

> Again, there is the parameter in the url everytime you change the
language, so all subsequent request made for > the same user are in the same
language until the next appereance of the parameter.
> And using top level domains you can recognize it depending on the domain.

If the parameter appears only once when changing the language version, how
should the FlexCache decide which language-version of a page to present at
the hits between changes of the language version? Or did I get you wrong?

> I don't understand.
> I use the Flex Cache and all works fine. The German pages are cached
separately from the English ones.

My mistake. I wanted to say: The session based stuff works only when cookies
are enabled, so the entire page would only work when cookies are enabled,
and that is a presumption that is not acceptable for my client. Of course I
need some way to store information for forms, user-dependencies and stuff,
and that is accepted. But he does not want to have cookies enabled just for
showing static content in two different language versions.

Nevertheless, thank you very much for this discussion. There is no way
better for learning details than by having a good discussion about them. :-)

Greetings,

Martin Lehnert
Hannecke IT-Solutions GmbH
Martin-Luther-Str. 5b
97072 Würzburg
Tel.: 0931-99 135 24
Fax: 0931-99 135 29
Email: martin.lehnert at hannecke-its.de

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Bernd Wolfsegger [mailto:bw at code-create.com]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. März 2005 12:51
> An: opencms-dev at opencms.org
> Cc: Martin Lehnert
> Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] Missing element that calls a 
> customizedEventListener
>
> Hi,
>
> you don't need any siblings for language handling.
> You just have to write a custom LocaleHandler and set it in the 
> opencms-system.xml as locale handler.
> And you don't have to touch the existing code for that!
> Your class has to be in the package org.opencms.
> Than the correct language content will be used automatically according 
> to your likings and settings in this handler.
> And there is really no need for different documents, for each language 
> one...
> Well, and that would be strange at all, to have all the different 
> language content in one file and than have to use different files to 
> get at the content :))
>
> Regards, Bernd
>
> On Thursday 24 March 2005 18:30, Martin Lehnert wrote:
> > Thank you very much for the fast responses... I think the workaround 
> > with the servlet will do until this behaviour is implemented in OpenCms.
> >
> > Just one note though: The main reason why I want to create this 
> > Listener is because I want to simplify the OpenCms-behaviour when I 
> > want to add a resource in different languages. I think the existing 
> > implementation with saving different languages in one xml-file and 
> > the possibility to switch between them in the WYSIWYG-editor is 
> > really great, but clients find it rather cumbersome to manually add 
> > siblings for every language-version and configure them by adding the 
> > right locale
>
> property.
>
> > Since I understand the necessity to have the different 
> > language-versions accessible through different URLs (for statistic 
> > and caching-reasons for
> > example) I would propose another option in the 
> > workplace-context-menu that automatically creates siblings with an 
> > adequate pre- or postfix (e.g. ISO-locale-code) for every used 
> > language-version in the xml-control code of a resource. This 
> > behaviour could also set the fitting locale-property in the file's 
> > properties (perhaps it's even better to start this behaviour 
> > automatically as soon as you save a resource, while making it 
> > possible to deactivate this for people who don't like this because 
> > they want to organize the their language-versions differently).
> >
> > This is exactly the behaviour I want to implement through Listeners.
> > Unfortunately I am to create modules without touching the 
> > OpenCms-source and have a very restrictive deadline, so I have to go 
> > the way with Listeners, otherwise I would program this behaviour 
> > directly into OpenCms and send it to you as a suggestion for 
> > incluing it
>
> into OpenCms.
>
> > When I'm finished, I could send you the code of the behaviour of my 
> > listener, because once this is done I think it would not be too hard 
> > to implement it the way I suggested. As long as you think this idea 
> > is useful, of course.
> >
> > Greetings and thank you again,
> > Martin Lehnert
> >
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >Thomas Maerz wrote:
> > >>"Martin Lehnert" <martin.lehnert at hannecke-its.de> writes:
> > >>>I also stumbled over a class of the TemplateOne-module
> > >>>(CmsTemplateParts) which is implementing the Listener-interface 
> > >>>and
> >
> > is
> >
> > >>>used by other classes of the module, but when does the system 
> > >>>call
> >
> > one
> >
> > >>>of those classes so that the Listener can register itself?
> > >>
> > >>,----[ CmsTemplateParts.java ]
> > >>
> > >>| // add an event listener
> > >>| OpenCms.addCmsEventListener(this);
> > >>
> > >>`----
> > >>
> > >>Maybe register your Listener in a JSP, that is requested for sure 
> > >>by a user.
> > >>
> > >>I couldn't find a way to add listeners on startup, too.
> > >
> > >For this we have created our own small servlet and in the init() 
> > >method
> > >
> > >we registered our listnerer.
> > >The servlet was called on startup by Tomcat and we made sure to be 
> > >called *after* the OpenCms servlet.
> > >
> > >At least it was possible with OpenCms 5.0.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Best regards,
> > >Andras Balogh.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Small oversight on our part, this will be added ASAP.
> > >
> > >Best Regards,
> > >Alex.
> > >
> > >Alexander Kandzior
> > >Alkacon Software - The OpenCms Experts http://www.alkacon.com
> >
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