[opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?

Arash Kaffamanesh arash.kaffamanesh at pomegranate.de
Sat Aug 6 14:01:52 CEST 2005 

Sorry I have to correct myself:

> It was clear that also these closed expensive systems have also their
weekness and as they are closed source you have any > chance to extend
them yourself.

as they are closed source you """don't""" have any chance to extend them
yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
[mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Arash Kaffamanesh
Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 13:56
To: 'The OpenCms mailing list'
Subject: RE: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?


Hi Alex,

:-)

For open source CMS Systems, I can say OpenCms is by the far the best
one, Magnolia, InfoGlue, Lenya and others are god too, if e.g, you
require that your CMS must be JSR 170 conform for instance Magnolia will
be the right solution for now, and if you would like to have a JSR 168
portlet sipport you can get InfoGlue, all of them have their weekness an
strength, but as I was involved in large CMS evaluation projects for
ECMS systems like:

Day - Day Communiqué
Ektron, Inc. - Ektron CMS400.NET
EMC Corporation - EMC Documentum
FatWire Software - FatWire Content Server
GlobalSCAPE Texas LP - GlobalSCAPE PublishXML
International Business Machines - IBM Workplace Web Content Management
Open Text Livelink WCM Server PaperThin, Inc. - CommonSpot™ 
Content Server Percussion Software - Percussion Rhythmyx WCM 
RedDot Solutions - RedDot CMS with LiveServer 
Roxen CMS Serena Software - Serena Collage Sitecore -
Sitecore .NET CMS Stellent, Inc.- Stellent Web Content Management 7.5 
Vignette - Vignette V7 Vignette Content Management

.....


It was clear that also these closed expensive systems have also their
weekness and as they are closed source you have any chance to extend
them yourself.

So to put it together, I will recommend to stick with OpenSource and
particularly with OpenCms, OpenCms will become in the next generation
JSR 170 and 168 compliant, what else do you wish to have?

The lack in OpenCms is that the documentation is not very good, but you
can buy excellent documenation (over 1000 pages) and training (3-5
days)for it and I think that would be a very intelligent investment
which reduces cost in the futute!

Best Regards,
Arash



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru Popescu
Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 14:17
To: The OpenCms mailing list
Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?


#: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
8/6/2005 1:15 PM :#
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Here is a List of Questions to answer before implementing a CMS:
> 
> Do you have an existing CMS deployed in your organization?
> Do you have currently a plan for evaluating and selecting (replacing)
> a CMS? Do you have a timeline for implementing a CMS?
> Which short- and long-terms goals are going to be achieved through a
> CMS?
> How many knowledge workers are involved in the evaluation process?
> Which roles (editors, approvers, publishers) are involved to take a
> decision?
> How many employees are going to use your CMS?
> Do you need a LDAP, MS ADS Interface?
> What kind of CMS are you going to implement (for Intranet, Internet,
> Extranet)?
> How many websites are going to manage with your CMS?
> How many languages shall your website provide to your visitors?
> Do you have to implement a workflow with your CMS?
> Shall your CMS be e-Commerce enabled?
> Which types of (structured) content are going to be published (events,
> press releases, eForms, FAQ's?
> How frequently does these types of content be updated?
> Shall other Web Applications be integrated into your CMS?
> Which output formats shall your CMS support (PDF, XML, WML)?
> Shall your CMS support sitemaps to be generated automatically?
> Shall your CMS support automatic menu navigation?
> Shall your CMS support publishing reports?
> Shall your CMS provide document management functionalities (e.g.
storage
> retrieval, regularity, or search in word, visio, autocad, etc. docs)? 
> Shall your CMS support compliance as a process (that's the functional 
> requirements of laws, regulations and records management)? Shall your 
> CMS support Output management (automatic printing and archiving)?
> Shall your CMS be managed / hosted internally or externally by a third
> party?
> Do you have programmers in house?
> Shall your CMS support multilingual websites?
> Shall your CMS provide spell checking?
> Shall your CMS be able to accept content via email?
> Shall your CMS provide an Interface to ERP or CRM systems?
> Shall your Content Repository conform to JSR 170 standard?
> Shall your CMS support dynamic image resizing?
> Shall your CMS provide a Voting Module?
> Shall your CMS provide advanced search capabilities?
> Shall your CMS provide an Interface to (a) Payment Card Gateway(s)?
> Are you planning to integrate blogs into your portal?
> Are you planning to integrate Webservices, SOA, BPEL?
> Which technology do you prefere or have to continue with, JAVA, .NET,
> others?
> 
> Regards,
> Arash
> 

This is a very good list of questions and I have to confess that it is
longer than mine. Now considering you should adopt on of the existing
solutions (and maybe plug more functionality by 
your own) you can imagine how hard an evaluation is done without the
tutorial we were talking about ;-).

:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|



> -----Original Message-----
> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru 
> Popescu
> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 13:48
> To: The OpenCms mailing list
> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
> 
> 
> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
> 8/6/2005 12:46 PM :#
>> Cheers :alex,
>> 
>> You wrote:
>> 
>>> I would like to find out a step-by-step or user manual how to set up

>>> a
>> full blown new site. While
>>> experimenting with different functionalities is kindda keen, I still
>> don't have an overall picture.
>>> Yes, I agree this is also because I never used a cms product, but I
>> think an intro would be welcomed.
>> 
>> Ok. I will try to write a step-by-step user manual for setting up a 
>> "full blown new site" with OpenCms. Before doing that, I would
suggest
> 
>> to register your OpenCms Demo Account on our site at:
>> 
>> https://www.pomegranate.de/opencms/opencms/en/emailform
>> 
>> After the registeration process, you will get your account data and 
>> can beginn to play with the installation on our site to become 
>> familiar with OpenCms and have an idea what a CM system is and in 
>> particular how OpenCms supports the content management process for 
>> building 1st class websites and intranet document management systems.
>> 
>> But for now you can go to News&Links --> CMS Links on our site, where

>> you can find several Links to other CMS resources, e.g what is a CMS?
>> 
>> We provide also OpenCms Shared and Dedicated Hosting Services for 
>> SME's and individuals for an affordable price wit free email support 
>> and a forum to discuss any OpenCms / Portal / CMS needs: 
>> http://www.pomegranate.de:9000/cms/forum/index
>> 
>> Looking forward to your feedback.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Arash
>> 
>> www.pomegranate.de
>> OpenCms Hosting Solutions
>> 
> 
> Many thanks Arash. It is indeed a nice offer. I have setted an OpenCMS

> distro on my laptop so I assume I would like to play with it here
> (this will allow me to check the db, and make a lot of
> tweaks around ;-)).
> 
> Definitely I will take a look at the links. I do have knowledge about
> what a cms solution should provide and moreover I think I have better 
> knowledge of what I would like to have ;-). However, the
> cms market seems very different and the approaches are quite different
> (f.e. I have spent the last 
> few weeks looking at OpenCMS, Magnolia and LifeRay, every of them
> offering a completely different 
> approach).
> 
> One of the common points however is the lack of this step-by-step
> guide ;-). It will provide a new user with an improved starting time, 
> so as you may guess for the user it will be much more easier to
> decide for a solution. I don't think this overlaps with the
professional
> (payed) services almost all
> CMS providers are offering, but rather would help gain more and more
> users.
> 
> these are my .02 euroc,
> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org 
>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru 
>> Popescu
>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 12:43
>> To: The OpenCms mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on 
>> 8/6/2005 10:27 AM :#
>>> Hi Lee,
>>>  
>>> For editors, this could be a good starting point (work in progress):
>>>  
>>> http://www.pomegranate.de/en/OpenSource/OpenCMS/OpenCMS-OnlineHelp.h
>>> t
>>> m
>>> l
>>>  
>>> If you have other questions or suggestions to improve this document,

>>> feel free to ask.
>>>  
>>> And if you are going to create your own templates, you shall read
>>> through Alkacon Documentation and post your questions on this list.
>>>  
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Arash
>>>  
>>> www.pomegranate.de
>>> OpenCms Hosting Solutions
>>>  
>>>  
>> 
>> I would like to find out a step-by-step or user manual how to set up
>> a
> 
>> full blown new site. While experimenting with different 
>> functionalities is kindda keen, I still don't have an overall
picture.
>> Yes, I agree this is also because I never used a cms product, but I 
>> think an intro would be welcomed.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> 
>> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
>>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Lee
>>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 10:17
>>> To: opencms-dev at opencms.org
>>> Subject: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>>  
>>> I'm new to this list and OpenCms at all, is there any tutorial
>>> available for newbies for a quick start?
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lee
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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