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<DIV><SPAN class=266253420-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=2>Those
are excellent points. As far as Vignette functionality, we are using Tcl
and caching. We are NOT using records or workflow (because Vignette
workflow sucks - we'd like our next CMS solution to include a usable workflow
component). We understand that there will definately be a lot of work
porting from Tcl to JSP/Java, and we are willing to take that
hit.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=266253420-09012003>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=2>We are dedicated to using
JSP/Java in our next CMS, too. We have a number of excellent JSP/Java
people in our department and we want to leverage that knowledgebase. Going
to something like PHP (as much as I like it) does not seem like an
option.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=266253420-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000
size=2>What Vignette is to us, basically, is all backend stuff. We are not
using their personalization, or other components. We are using it,
basically, as a development environment. When we switch over, we need to
be able to keep the functionality, from a user's perspective, the same.
The datamodel/DB cannot change (except, perhaps, very minor
changes).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=266253420-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000
size=2><BR>I've been poking around at OpenCMS and Red Hat CCM (formally
ArsDigita). They both feel a little confining for my tastes, but maybe
that's because I do not have very much experience with either of them. It
seems that, at this point, just using JSP/Java (Tomcat, etc.) and using CVS for
version control, and perhaps oscache for the caching mechanism, seems like a
strong possibility. Of course, we'll have to sacrifice workflow and other
things like that, but maybe that's a bullet that we have to
bite.<BR><BR>Shawn</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Matthias Nott
[mailto:matthias.nott@businessobjects.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January
09, 2003 3:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> opencms-dev@www.opencms.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
AW: [opencms-dev] convert Vignette sites to OpenCMS<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Shawn,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
basic question will be whether or not they are actually using the Vignette
functionality. I know Vignette</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>up
to V/6 pretty well and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> see the following bits that may be of
interest:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>a)
caching (could be replaced e.g. by
opensymphony.org/oscache)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>b)
url rewrite (can be replaced by e.g. mod_rewrite)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>c)
"records" (you perhaps don't want to use them in the first
place)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>d)
which language do they use - vign supports JSP (ok, say, they have a Java
API), but many sites are still Tcl</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So
basically there is no general answer to your question, except that _yes_,
there are many open source cms'es</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>around that can deliver many things very similar, or even superior to
at least what I know (pre-V/7). Some</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>of
the hottest candidates are opencms (Java), and, in terms of functionality
probably even more advanced, Typo3</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>(PHP).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A
very simple question you can seriously ask your customers is this: What are
you actually using from</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>your
CMS functionality?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>M</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=023551920-09012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=de dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B>
owner-opencms-dev@www.opencms.org [mailto:owner-opencms-dev@www.opencms.org]
<B>Im Auftrag von </B>Bernard, Shawn<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Thursday, January
09, 2003 8:12 PM<BR><B>An:</B> 'opencms-dev@opencms.com'<BR><B>Betreff:</B>
[opencms-dev] convert Vignette sites to OpenCMS<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>We have a bunch of sites running on Vignette, and all of
them have a very complex, unique content management system. Each has
its own unique datamodel and content management application, as well as
content display application.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>We are considering moving away from Vignette and to an open
source CMS that supports JSP/Java.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Does anyone have any experience porting over complex sites
to OpenCMS? It is absolutely necessary that we keep the current
datamodels of the sites, as well as all the functionality of the sites'
content management applications.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Does anyone out there have experience with this? Is
this even possible? Or will I have to adopt the OpenCMS
methodology/model of doing content management?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Thanks,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Shawn</FONT> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>