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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921380020-13102004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Well said. I'm not trying to be ungrateful and I'm happy to
feed back into the mailing lists and help others overcome difficulties once I
figure them out (coming soon, a followup solution to my reading offline content
and struts tiles questions). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921380020-13102004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>It would be helpful for someone to sift the mailing list
into a FAQ or Knowledge Base of common problems and to help expand the
docs/demos using issues users are trying to solve.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org
[mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim Van Der
Hulst<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:21 PM<BR><B>To:</B> The
OpenCms mailing list<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [opencms-dev] open letter -- How to
learn OpenCMS<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=765451019-13102004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Likewise I have read the book, the docs, and have been reading the email
archives for a few months... we have implemented an OpenCMS system but I can't
say I feel particularly comfortable with the whole
experience. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=765451019-13102004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If the information exists (scattered) in the mailing
archives then that information needs to be taken out and put into documentation.
I would suggest to Alkacon, if they are paying programmers to work on
development, to also include a full time tester/documenter or encourage more
people to work on documentation or something.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=765451019-13102004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Not to
be ungrateful or anything, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=765451019-13102004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>TiM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Andy Kriger
[mailto:akriger@greaterthanone.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 14 October 2004
5:13 a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> 'The OpenCms mailing list'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[opencms-dev] open letter -- How to learn OpenCMS<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=593020816-13102004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>To clarify, I am making a suggestion to help the growth
of OpenCms. I have the book, I have read docs, I have searched the
archives (maybe not made it my bedtime reading, but done a bunch of
searching/browsing). However, OpenCms is a complex system and every little bit
helps. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=593020816-13102004>For
example, if you have a pointer to what an 'inclusion loop error' is and how it
is caused, that would be great. This one comes up a lot (in my learning and in
the mailing lists), but I haven't found an explanation of what it's all about.
Without that understanding, I am not able to figure out how to address it,
work around it, live with it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org
[mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul D.
Bain<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B> The
OpenCms mailing list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [opencms-dev] open letter -- How
to learn OpenCMS<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>At 09:46 AM 10/13/04, you wrote:<BR><BR>
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size=2>I am new to OpenCms and am trying to develop a web application using
it. Over the past month or so, I have posted many messages to this list, but
only received a few replies to various questions. I have also noticed in the
message archives a lot more questions than answers. Open-source projects
that do well usually have a good community behind them to help out new
users, along with demos and good documentation. While, OpenCms has the best
docs of any open-source CMS project I have looked into, I don't see enough
help on the mailing list.
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>There
is no shortage of help on this list. The problem does NOT lie with the OpenCMS
developers or with the experienced users of OpenCMS. The problem lies with
users who are too lazy to search the email archives, too lazy to read the
documentation, or too cheap to buy Matt Butcher's excellent book on
OpenCMS.<BR><BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>When
I began learning OpenCMS two years ago, I began by reading the official
documentation. Then, I read every single email in the archives (for the prior
six months) that had been posted by Alexander Kandzior, the chief architect of
OpenCMS. Other posters whose emails contain valuable information include
these:<BR><BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>=
Matt
Butcher<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>=
Olli Aro<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>=
Mark
Miller<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>=
Stephan
Hartmann<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>=
Rene
Hinojosa<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>=
Joachim
Arrasz<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>=
Thomas Marz<BR><BR>I suggest that you read the emails of these experienced
users _very_ carefully. Their emails contain a great deal of supplemental,
useful information. Do _not_ merely search the email archives. BROWSE them.
READ them. They are a gold mine of information.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Paul
Bain<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica"
size=2>For example, a project like Resin, which has a very small team of
developers, has its lead developer posting regularly to the mailing list to
help people. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>I hope that
Alkacon can devote more resources to monitoring the list and helping new
users and thus grow the community of experienced users (who in turn can help
people out on the list).<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica"
size=2>-andy kriger</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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