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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=099522609-15112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Olli -</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=099522609-15112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>It may be me who's confused - I'm not
sure!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=099522609-15112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>By 'normal content', I presume you mean resources which are
of type xmlpage (tell me if I'm wrong). These aren't fundamentally any
different from resources of any other XML content type: they contain data, held
in XML elements, which a JSP then includes at various points in its
output.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=099522609-15112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The only difference is in the way OpenCms chooses to
associate a resource with the JSP used to include bits of it. For xmlpage
resources, you get to choose a JSP at resource creation time, and this sets the
'template' property to the path of the JSP; for arbitrary XML content types, the
JSP is determined from the value of the path contained in the
'template-elements' property.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=099522609-15112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Actually, there's another difference which might explain
the confusion, but the difference isn't anything fundamental: for xmlpage
resources, the WYSIWYG editor is fired up rather than the horrible XML content
editor. But in both cases, there's still the same relationship between
view and data; they're not inverses of one another. When you fire up the
WYSIWYG editor for xmlpages, you're not injecting stuff into the template;
you're injecting data into the XML document / the instance of an xmlpage
resource. You could say that for other XML content types, you use the XML
content editor to inject data into <EM>their</EM> XML document instances - no
difference.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=099522609-15112006><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=099522609-15112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The word 'template' has become very confusing where OpenCms
is concerned, I guess because of the legacy mechanism used in OpenCms 5 (and
before?). For both xmlpage resources and your own XML content items, the
so-called template is really a "renderer" or a "view".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=099522609-15112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jon</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org
[mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Olli
Aro<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14 November 2006 21:57<BR><B>To:</B> The OpenCms mailing
list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [opencms-dev] Template selection for
XMLContent<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I
suppose what got me confused is that while with normal content you inject the
content in template (using e.g. <cms:include element="body"/>), while with
the XMLContent you kind of inject the template to the content. I was hoping that
I could have done something like <cms:include element="newsbody"/>
and that then would have called the view JSP in order to inject the
XMLContent view to my generic template. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">The
current design also means that if people wish to use the default OpenCms
content types within their own templates (other than TemplateOne), they have to
rewrite all view JSP for the content types, which is a shame. Or am I still
missunderstanding this?</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Also,
how do you share the content types e.g. between 2 different sub sites with the
current framework? Other than building some logic in the template to cope with
this as you were suggesting earlier.</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry to
keep going on about this, but I still find it a bit confusing...</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV
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Original Message ----<BR>From: Jonathan Woods
<jonathan.woods@scintillance.com><BR>To: The OpenCms mailing list
<opencms-dev@opencms.org><BR>Sent: Tuesday, 14 November, 2006 6:06:25
PM<BR>Subject: RE: [opencms-dev] Template selection for XMLContent<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=446020318-14112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>No idea why - I guess the designers felt that an article's
an article, a calendar entry is a calendar entry, and so on... so there'd need
only be one way for the content item to be rendered.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=446020318-14112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Of course, your custom XML content could contain a data
item which itself gives a cue to the template-elements JSP about how to render
the content, and your JSP could take notice of this value
accordingly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=446020318-14112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jon</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Olli Aro<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14 November 2006 17:50<BR><B>To:</B> 'The
OpenCms mailing list'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [opencms-dev] Template selection
for XMLContent<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes you are right, it
is the traditional way. I just have used only cms:includes in my templates
before, so concept of cms:template elements is new to me and means that I have
to restructure my templates in order to get XMLContent working properly
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">L</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regarding the missing
template dropdown – any ideas why this has been dropped out for XMLContent and
would it be easy to put it back in? I could imagine that users might still want
to select between different templates for their XMLContent as
well.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Olli
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jonathan
Woods<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 14 November 2006
17:22<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' The OpenCms mailing
list '<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
[opencms-dev] Template selection for XMLContent</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is the same as a
traditional template, isn't it? Except that the user can't select from a
drop-down which JSP is used to perform the rendition.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Olli Aro<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 14 November 2006 16:39<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' The OpenCms mailing list
'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [opencms-dev]
Template selection for XMLContent</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Aaah, so it looks
like OpenCms expects property template-elements to be populated for all
XMLContent and then you have to define there references to template headers and
footers. Is there any way to switch this functionality off and use a
“traditional” template for XMLContent?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Olli
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Olli Aro<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 14 November 2006 15:47<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' The OpenCms mailing list
'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [opencms-dev]
Template selection for XMLContent</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes that gets me the
content from the XML content items, but how do I get the template around the
content area (all navigation menus etc.)? If you create a normal content item
you get the selection list where you can then select e.g. TemplateOne, but
XMLContent does not seem to have this selection list.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Olli</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jonathan
Woods<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 14 November 2006
15:39<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' The OpenCms mailing
list '<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
[opencms-dev] Template selection for XMLContent</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If on a particular
resource you set the value of the property called 'template-elements' to the
path of a JSP, then OpenCms will 'call' that JSP when a user requests that
resource. Of course, the action of the JSP is normally to include data
from the XML content item, i.e. to act as its view, but not necessarily
so.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jon</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Olli Aro<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 14 November 2006 12:00<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' The OpenCms mailing list
'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [opencms-dev]
Template selection for XMLContent</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi all,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am trying to surround XMLContent
with a template and noticed that when a user creates a new XMLContent item there
is no selection for template. Do I need to exit the creation JSP in order to
introduce this for XMLContent or is there a different way in order to allow the
users to select template for their XML content?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Olli </SPAN></FONT></P>
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