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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NO-BOK link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Thomas,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>See my comments below.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Hi Paul,<br><br>well, structured content can contain multiple languages so I'd say that also an intended possibility in OpenCMS. </span>It's just the navigation that doesn't support that.<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Content in multiple languages is indeed an intended possibility, but the standard way to _<i>handle</i>_ content in multiple languages is by employing siblings. (Relying heavily upon the fact that siblings do not necessarily share their set of properties. Furthermore, as you know, the standard OpenCms navigation is partly property-based.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>We also have parts of our site that define the navigation inside the xml content. </span>That, however, makes it harder to view the navigation in the workplace explorer, since you'd then have to open the resource file. Ok, editing navigation in the workplace explorer is still suboptimal - you can't see the navpos for example - but it's still a start and AFAIK you don't have the new sitemap editor in the workplace, do you?<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve created 20+ sites, all with a structured content-based navigation, and most with the entire navigation tree defined in a single file. Many editors have been involved, and this implementation has been easily understood by them. Given that the navigation tree is visible to them when editing the file, the whole thing is actually quite intuitive. (Of course, I do not get to use the new sitemap editor, but that’s hardly a problem. Bottom line is the standard OpenCms navigation solution does not work for me, and the structured content solution is a good substitute.)</span><span lang=EN-US><br><br>I'll think about the property-per-language approach, but that has the disadvantage that standard edit options like "edit navigation" wouldn't support that.<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is possible to customize the edit option so that it would handle your custom solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>2011/10/14 Paul-Inge Flakstad <</span><a href="mailto:flakstad@npolar.no"><span lang=EN-US>flakstad@npolar.no</span></a><span lang=EN-US>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi Thomas,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>First of all, I don’t think you’re asking a commonly asked question. The “default” way to handle multiple languages in OpenCms is by employing siblings. Since you’re avoiding this (I don’t get why, it’s a pretty neat solution), you’re also straying from the way OpenCms was intended to work. With this in mind, I wouldn’t expect to find a quick fix anywhere. You’re at a point where you’ll have to create a custom implementation. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>While your proposed solutions would work, they do raise the bar for the editors, and errors are likely to occur.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A couple of other suggestions:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Define one navtext property for each language. (Basically the same as using the default property, but this way you’ll free the editors from the syntax requirement.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Make your own navigation system – structured content works well for this. (I would go for this. It is like your properties file alternative, but easier to maintain. I have successfully implemented such a system on my sites, because I wanted a navigation that was independent from the folder structure. It works like a charm. :)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>HTH. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org" target="_blank">opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org" target="_blank">opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Göttlich<br><b>Sent:</b> 14. oktober 2011 11:30<br><b>To:</b> The OpenCms mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> [opencms-dev] Multilingual NavText</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi,<br><br>I know this is a commonly asked question but since I couldn't find anything helpful in the wiki or using google yet, I'll ask my question here:<br><br>How can I maintain a folder's navtext property in a multilingual way?<br><br>We currently have a site that consists of one tree and structured content containing mutliple languages.<br>Our templates use a fallback mechanism to retrieve content in the default language (English) if there's no content for the requested language (e.g. German).<br>This works on a per-field basis, i.e. you could, for example, set some images in the default language only and just translate the text in the other supported languages.<br><br>Because of this, and since it is a much cleaner approach IMHO, we don't want to fiddle around with different structures in multiple languages (i.e. no siblings!).<br><br>All worked fine so far, since we didn't use the OpenCMS navigation facilities yet.<br><br>However, now we need to employ them and thus there's the problem of how to translate the navtext property.<br><br>Right now I could think of two ways, both of which don't fully satisfy me:<br><br>1. Store a key in the navtext and in the template access a properties file. That would require the user to maintain an additional file and keep it in sync with the keys.<br><br>2. Directly store the translations in the navtext, i.e. like this: "en=Some Folder,de=Irgendein Ordner,nl=Een map,es=Cualquier directorio,zh=<span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"MS Gothic"'>某一个文件</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:MingLiU'>夹</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>" etc.</span><br>Then I'd have to split the navtext in the template and extract the correct language. The problem with this is that it's quite fragile since the user would need to enter the translations in the correct format, i.e. <language code>=<translation>,<language code>=<translation>, ... . This might be error prone.<br><br>Any more ideas?<br><br>Thanks in advance,<br><br>Thomas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>This mail is sent to you from the opencms-dev mailing list<br>To change your list options, or to unsubscribe from the list, please visit<br><a href="http://lists.opencms.org/mailman/listinfo/opencms-dev" target="_blank">http://lists.opencms.org/mailman/listinfo/opencms-dev</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>