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1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">I know about the wiki status. And I agree with you,
that the wiki should be supported by the community leader.
<o:p></o:p></span><span
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I totally agree, Doing documentation is easier for the person
who is developing the core or module, not for me who is still
struggling through the software.<br>
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</span></span></span><span
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lang="EN-US">Agreed<o:p></o:p></span><span
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Sorry, I don't agree, check other frameworks or CMS for their
documentation and model after them.<br>
OpenCMS software should be able to manage its own documentation.<br>
not saying below websites are having perfect documentation, but
they are all hosting their own documents.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://docs.alfresco.com/">http://docs.alfresco.com/</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://guides.rubyonrails.org/">http://guides.rubyonrails.org/</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.7/intro/tutorial01/">https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.7/intro/tutorial01/</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.liferay.com/documentation/liferay-portal/6.2/user-guide">http://www.liferay.com/documentation/liferay-portal/6.2/user-guide</a><br>
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</span></span></span><span
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lang="EN-US">Why should other open source communities have the
time to contribute and this one not? We should think about it as
give and take. What I want to say is: I do not have the time
either, but I take the time because I think it is important…<br>
Maybe other community's developers, building enough websites, or
getting more projects and thus they put more effort for their own
customers good.<br>
the better end users or clients can manage their sites, the better
developers can work on new features and not struggling with
existing config.<br>
The difficulty of OpenCMS should be hidden to end users with
proper documentation.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Babak<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2014 7:59 AM, Schliemann, Kai
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">I know about the wiki status. And I agree with
you, that the wiki should be supported by the community
leader.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
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lang="EN-US">Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Why should other open source communities have
the time to contribute and this one not? We should think
about it as give and take. What I want to say is: I do not
have the time either, but I take the time because I think it
is important…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Why should Alkacon come up with a solution? We
could do that as well. We all belong to the community. I
don’t want them to do all the work. They already do a lot.
They just have to be ready to accept ideas and support them
as good as they can.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Kai<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org">opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org">mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Alberto Gallardo<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 10. November 2014 13:28<br>
<b>An:</b> The OpenCms mailing list<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms 9.5.0
documentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi again,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
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lang="EN-US">1.</span><span
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lang="EN-US">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Wiki for short howtos and FAQs.
Possibly more developer oriented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">As I
mentioned, the current wiki is not officially
supported. If the records are accurate, it was made
available by Jan Meier with no official affiliation
(at least, not stated in the wiki) with Alkacon (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opencms-wiki.org/index.php?title=OpenCms_Wiki:About&oldid=1498">http://www.opencms-wiki.org/index.php?title=OpenCms_Wiki:About&oldid=1498</a>)
around the 3 November 2006. The wiki states that it
currently belongs to Alkacon Software GmbH, but this
doesn't correspond with Alkacon's official statement
at the OpenCms Days 2014, where Dr. Daniel Seidel
confirmed that the wiki isn't opperated by Alkacon,
nor maintained, and even suggested that the Alkacon
Team don't participate in the Wiki since a long time
(in fact, the last contribution was on the 6th
November 2012:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opencms-wiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagFilter=&contribs=user&target=Alkacon&namespace=&year=&month=-1">http://www.opencms-wiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagFilter=&contribs=user&target=Alkacon&namespace=&year=&month=-1</a>).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do like having a wiki, but I
don't feel comfortable contributing and investing
time in a page that is not officially supported by
Alkacon. I don't like either how wild the page has
grown and I dare to doubt about its future
sustainability and scalability.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">New
documentation on GitHub. Possibly more user
oriented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I could attend Daniel's talk, and
I liked how much thinking they have devoted to the
documentation. At the same time, it was clear to me
that to maintain through all documentation the high
standards that they are aming, they won't be able to
quickly react to any pull-request (it is good so).
That is, the community still needs a lean
contribution model to the documentation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mailing
list for quick answers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Unfortunatelly,
I have the impression that there are very few
OpenCms experts within the user community with
enough time to contribute in this list. Alkacon Team
doesn't look to have enough resources to push this
option either.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not saying that everything is
lost, neither that any of these options are
unacceptable. Just that I wish that Alkacon takes
all this into consideration and comes up soon with a
solution for supporting the community participation
(e.g. officially supporting the wiki, or providing a
new community-documentation module with lower
standards...).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Just my
2 cents...<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
<br>
Alberto Gallardo<o:p></o:p></p>
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