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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Alex,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">thanks for giving us an update on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It sounds very good to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We try to help as good as we can.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kai<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Alexander Kandzior<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 10. November 2014 15:20<br>
<b>An:</b> 'The OpenCms mailing list'<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms 9.5.0 documentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I want to share some points regarding the wiki and the documentation:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We (Alkacon) operate the wiki. In the sense that we run the server and own the domain. This is so since about 2009.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">About 2 years ago we started to put more effort in the documentation. The wiki soon proved to be not ideal because of versioning and other issues.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">This is why we did the documentation of 8.5 / 9.0 as PDF and shipped this together with the distribution.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Our team did not contribute much more to the wiki after we started with the PDF version because we simply do not have the resources to do both.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">With 9.5, we have switched from PDF to HTML because we found out that the PDF version was not ideal either. We also greatly increased the resources put into
the documentation in general.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The 9.5 documentation will be online in a dedicated website. RTA is before the end of the year (hopefully by end of November).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The 9.5 documentation covers both end-user and developer perspectives.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I still believe it’s good to have the wiki and I do not intend to shut it down. We will try to link to the wiki better from the official sites.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Any help in the documentation effort is greatly appreciated.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Kind Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Alex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Alexander Kandzior<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Alkacon Software GmbH - The OpenCms Experts
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.alkacon.com">http://www.alkacon.com</a> -
<a href="http://www.opencms.org">http://www.opencms.org</a> <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org">opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org</a> [<a href="mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org">mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Schliemann, Kai<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, Nov</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ember 10, 2014 2:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The OpenCms mailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms 9.5.0 documentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I know about the wiki status. And I agree with you, that the wiki should be supported by the community leader.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Why should other open source communities have the time to contribute and this one not? We should think about it as give and take. What
I want to say is: I do not have the time either, but I take the time because I think it is important…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Why should Alkacon come up with a solution? We could do that as well. We all belong to the community. I don’t want them to do all the work. They
already do a lot. They just have to be ready to accept ideas and support them as good as they can.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kai<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org">opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org</a> [<a href="mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org">mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@opencms.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Alberto Gallardo<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 10. November 2014 13:28<br>
<b>An:</b> The OpenCms mailing list<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms 9.5.0 documentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi again,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Wiki for short howtos and FAQs. Possibly more developer oriented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">As I mentioned, the current wiki is not officially supported. If the records are accurate, it was made available by Jan Meier with no official affiliation (at least, not stated in the wiki) with Alkacon (<a href="http://www.opencms-wiki.org/index.php?title=OpenCms_Wiki:About&oldid=1498">http://www.opencms-wiki.org/index.php?title=OpenCms_Wiki:About&oldid=1498</a>)
around the 3 November 2006. The wiki states that it currently belongs to Alkacon Software GmbH, but this doesn't correspond with Alkacon's official statement at the OpenCms Days 2014, where Dr. Daniel Seidel confirmed that the wiki isn't opperated by Alkacon,
nor maintained, and even suggested that the Alkacon Team don't participate in the Wiki since a long time (in fact, the last contribution was on the 6th November 2012:
<a href="http://www.opencms-wiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagFilter=&contribs=user&target=Alkacon&namespace=&year=&month=-1">
http://www.opencms-wiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagFilter=&contribs=user&target=Alkacon&namespace=&year=&month=-1</a>).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do like having a wiki, but I don't feel comfortable contributing and investing time in a page that is not officially supported by Alkacon. I don't like either how wild the page has grown and I dare to doubt about its future sustainability
and scalability.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">New documentation on GitHub. Possibly more user oriented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I could attend Daniel's talk, and I liked how much thinking they have devoted to the documentation. At the same time, it was clear to me that to maintain through all documentation the high standards that they are aming, they won't be able
to quickly react to any pull-request (it is good so). That is, the community still needs a lean contribution model to the documentation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mailing list for quick answers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Unfortunatelly, I have the impression that there are very few OpenCms experts within the user community with enough time to contribute in this list. Alkacon Team doesn't look to have enough resources to push
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not saying that everything is lost, neither that any of these options are unacceptable. Just that I wish that Alkacon takes all this into consideration and comes up soon with a solution for supporting the community participation (e.g.
officially supporting the wiki, or providing a new community-documentation module with lower standards...).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Just my 2 cents...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
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Alberto Gallardo<o:p></o:p></p>
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