[opencms-dev] open letter -- How to learn OpenCMS

[Andy Kriger]

Well said. I'm not trying to be ungrateful and I'm happy to feed back into
the mailing lists and help others overcome difficulties once I figure them
out (coming soon, a followup solution to my reading offline content and
struts tiles questions). 
 
It would be helpful for someone to sift the mailing list into a FAQ or
Knowledge Base of common problems and to help expand the docs/demos using
issues users are trying to solve.

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From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
[mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Tim Van Der Hulst
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:21 PM
To: The OpenCms mailing list
Subject: RE: [opencms-dev] open letter -- How to learn OpenCMS


Likewise I have read the book, the docs, and have been reading the email
archives for a few months... we have implemented an OpenCMS system but I
can't say I feel particularly comfortable with the whole experience. If the
information exists (scattered) in the mailing archives then that information
needs to be taken out and put into documentation. I would suggest to
Alkacon, if they are paying programmers to work on development, to also
include a full time tester/documenter or encourage more people to work on
documentation or something.
 
Not to be ungrateful or anything, 
 
TiM
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Kriger [mailto:akriger at greaterthanone.com]
Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2004 5:13 a.m.
To: 'The OpenCms mailing list'
Subject: RE: [opencms-dev] open letter -- How to learn OpenCMS


To clarify, I am making a suggestion to help the growth of OpenCms. I have
the book, I have read docs, I have searched the archives (maybe not made it
my bedtime reading, but done a bunch of searching/browsing). However,
OpenCms is a complex system and every little bit helps. 
 
For example, if you have a pointer to what an 'inclusion loop error' is and
how it is caused, that would be great. This one comes up a lot (in my
learning and in the mailing lists), but I haven't found an explanation of
what it's all about. Without that understanding, I am not able to figure out
how to address it, work around it, live with it.
 

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From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
[mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Paul D. Bain
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:03 PM
To: The OpenCms mailing list
Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] open letter -- How to learn OpenCMS


At 09:46 AM 10/13/04, you wrote:



I am new to OpenCms and am trying to develop a web application using it.
Over the past month or so, I have posted many messages to this list, but
only received a few replies to various questions. I have also noticed in the
message archives a lot more questions than answers. Open-source projects
that do well usually have a good community behind them to help out new
users, along with demos and good documentation. While, OpenCms has the best
docs of any open-source CMS project I have looked into, I don't see enough
help on the mailing list. 


        There is no shortage of help on this list. The problem does NOT lie
with the OpenCMS developers or with the experienced users of OpenCMS. The
problem lies with users who are too lazy to search the email archives, too
lazy to read the documentation, or too cheap to buy Matt Butcher's excellent
book on OpenCMS.

        When I began learning OpenCMS two years ago, I began by reading the
official documentation. Then, I read every single email in the archives (for
the prior six months) that had been posted by Alexander Kandzior, the chief
architect of OpenCMS. Other posters whose emails contain valuable
information include these:

        = Matt Butcher
        = Olli Aro
        = Mark Miller
        =  Stephan Hartmann
        = Rene Hinojosa
        =  Joachim Arrasz
        =  Thomas Marz

I suggest that you read the emails of these experienced users _very_
carefully. Their emails contain a great deal of supplemental, useful
information. Do _not_ merely search the email archives. BROWSE them. READ
them. They are a gold mine of information.

Sincerely,
Paul Bain



For example, a project like Resin, which has a very small team of
developers, has its lead developer posting regularly to the mailing list to
help people. 

I hope that Alkacon can devote more resources to monitoring the list and
helping new users and thus grow the community of experienced users (who in
turn can help people out on the list).

-andy kriger 

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