[opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
Alexandru Popescu
the_mindstorm at evolva.ro
Sat Aug 6 18:12:41 CEST 2005
#: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on 8/6/2005 5:02 PM :#
>> Afaik webdav is about versioning and locking through http protocol (or
> I am completely wrong). I
>> think jsr 170 already mention them, but not in a requirement mode.
>
> Versioning, Locking and Access Control are Optional Repository features
> in JSR 170 Spec. The Jakarta Slide Project is the current Web-Dav aware
> repository, which doesn't care about JSR 170 repos. Both of them are
> allready in child shoes and will change the specs in the future and
> therefore vendors of CM systems don't hurry to implement them, except
> Magnolia, which has currently done the work for a JSR compliant repos
> and OpenCms will do it in the near future, I hope at least :-)
>
Yep, this looks exactly as my discoverings so far. At this moment maybe we need somebody to create a
commons-cms to cover all cms + webdav enabled + jsr170 solutions, otherwise it seems quite
impossible to cover all the needs of a customer :-).
If put into position I would probably vote immediately for adding versioning, locking and acl to
jsr-170 version 2, but I assume no cms provider would vote yes on this version. But I think this
would be too early as the only solution covering JSR-170 is Magnolia (but only with file system
repository support) and Jackrabbit (with no release so far).
:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
> I had a look on SnipSnap, a nice Wiki with blogging fuctionality
> developed by Fraunhofer Institute in Germany, my Idea was to integrate
> the blogging and RSS aggregation part into OpenCms, but not sure if it
> is necessary, if other modules are currently over there for RSS
> aggregation into OpenCms Content Repos.
>
> Br,
> Arash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru Popescu
> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 15:36
> To: The OpenCms mailing list
> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>
>
> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
> 8/6/2005 2:38 PM :#
>>> From my pov the most important feature would be the JSR170 support.
>> Another one would be multiple
>>> repository support (not only db based, or fs based).
>>
>> I agree and I would add to the list of requiremets, that a good CMS
>> must have Web-Dav and RSS support, all of these features are in
>> planning / development and we are trying to get large companies to
>> sponsor this process and help OpenCms developers to become more
>> resources (more money == more developers) and to get the whole thing
>> running faster and with better affordable documenation, training and
>> support :-)
>
> Afaik webdav is about versioning and locking through http protocol (or I
> am completely wrong). I
> think jsr 170 already mention them, but not in a requirement mode.
>
> RSS should be something that can be easily developed with good
> repositories, or am I wrong again?
> Providing a general solution for feed generation would be a great
> example, but I don't think it can
> fit all options.
>
> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Arash
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru
>> Popescu
>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 15:03
>> To: The OpenCms mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>
>>
>> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
>> 8/6/2005 1:55 PM :#
>>> So to put it together, I will recommend to stick with OpenSource and
>>> particularly with OpenCms, OpenCms will become in the next generation
>
>>> JSR 170 and 168 compliant, what else do you wish to have?
>>>
>>
>> From my pov the most important feature would be the JSR170 support.
>> Another one would be multiple repository support (not only db based,
>> or fs based).
>>
>>> The lack in OpenCms is that the documentation is not very good, but
>>> you can buy excellent documenation (over 1000 pages) and training
> (3-5
>>
>>> days)for it and I think that would be a very intelligent investment
>>> which reduces cost in the futute!
>>>
>>
>> Definitely I must stay in the oss world, as we finally we have to go
>> further with the system.
>>
>> What documentation are you talking about? Can you point me to the
>> right direction? I have missed this part. I cannot decide yet if the
>> training is needed as I am not sure yet what solution we will
>> adopt, but the documentation at a reasonable price would be indeed an
>> intelligen investment.
>>
>> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Arash
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
>>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru
>>> Popescu
>>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 14:17
>>> To: The OpenCms mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>>
>>>
>>> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
>>> 8/6/2005 1:15 PM :#
>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>
>>>> Here is a List of Questions to answer before implementing a CMS:
>>>>
>>>> Do you have an existing CMS deployed in your organization? Do you
>>>> have currently a plan for evaluating and selecting (replacing) a
> CMS?
>>
>>>> Do you have a timeline for implementing a CMS? Which short- and
>>>> long-terms goals are going to be achieved through a CMS?
>>>> How many knowledge workers are involved in the evaluation process?
>>>> Which roles (editors, approvers, publishers) are involved to take a
>>>> decision?
>>>> How many employees are going to use your CMS?
>>>> Do you need a LDAP, MS ADS Interface?
>>>> What kind of CMS are you going to implement (for Intranet, Internet,
>>>> Extranet)?
>>>> How many websites are going to manage with your CMS?
>>>> How many languages shall your website provide to your visitors?
>>>> Do you have to implement a workflow with your CMS?
>>>> Shall your CMS be e-Commerce enabled?
>>>> Which types of (structured) content are going to be published
>> (events,
>>>> press releases, eForms, FAQ's?
>>>> How frequently does these types of content be updated? Shall other
>>>> Web Applications be integrated into your CMS? Which output formats
>>>> shall your CMS support (PDF, XML, WML)? Shall your CMS support
>>>> sitemaps to be generated automatically? Shall your CMS support
>>>> automatic menu navigation? Shall your CMS support publishing
>>>> reports? Shall your CMS provide document management functionalities
>>>> (e.g.
>>> storage
>>>> retrieval, regularity, or search in word, visio, autocad, etc.
>>>> docs)?
>>
>>>> Shall your CMS support compliance as a process (that's the
>>>> functional
>>
>>>> requirements of laws, regulations and records management)? Shall
>>>> your
>>
>>>> CMS support Output management (automatic printing and archiving)?
>>>> Shall your CMS be managed / hosted internally or externally by a
>> third
>>>> party?
>>>> Do you have programmers in house?
>>>> Shall your CMS support multilingual websites?
>>>> Shall your CMS provide spell checking?
>>>> Shall your CMS be able to accept content via email?
>>>> Shall your CMS provide an Interface to ERP or CRM systems? Shall
>>>> your Content Repository conform to JSR 170 standard? Shall your CMS
>>>> support dynamic image resizing? Shall your CMS provide a Voting
>>>> Module? Shall your CMS provide advanced search capabilities?
>>>> Shall your CMS provide an Interface to (a) Payment Card Gateway(s)?
>>>> Are you planning to integrate blogs into your portal?
>>>> Are you planning to integrate Webservices, SOA, BPEL?
>>>> Which technology do you prefere or have to continue with, JAVA,
> .NET,
>>>> others?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Arash
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is a very good list of questions and I have to confess that it
>>> is
>>
>>> longer than mine. Now considering you should adopt on of the existing
>>> solutions (and maybe plug more functionality by your own) you can
>>> imagine how hard an evaluation is done without the tutorial we were
>>> talking about ;-).
>>>
>>> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
>>>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru
>>>> Popescu
>>>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 13:48
>>>> To: The OpenCms mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
>>>> 8/6/2005 12:46 PM :#
>>>>> Cheers :alex,
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to find out a step-by-step or user manual how to set
>>>>>> up a
>>>>> full blown new site. While
>>>>>> experimenting with different functionalities is kindda keen, I
>>>>>> still
>>>>> don't have an overall picture.
>>>>>> Yes, I agree this is also because I never used a cms product, but
>>>>>> I
>>>>> think an intro would be welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok. I will try to write a step-by-step user manual for setting up a
>>>>> "full blown new site" with OpenCms. Before doing that, I would
>>> suggest
>>>>
>>>>> to register your OpenCms Demo Account on our site at:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.pomegranate.de/opencms/opencms/en/emailform
>>>>>
>>>>> After the registeration process, you will get your account data and
>>>>> can beginn to play with the installation on our site to become
>>>>> familiar with OpenCms and have an idea what a CM system is and in
>>>>> particular how OpenCms supports the content management process for
>>>>> building 1st class websites and intranet document management
>>>>> systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> But for now you can go to News&Links --> CMS Links on our site,
>>>>> where you can find several Links to other CMS resources, e.g what
> is
>>
>>>>> a CMS?
>>>>>
>>>>> We provide also OpenCms Shared and Dedicated Hosting Services for
>>>>> SME's and individuals for an affordable price wit free email
> support
>>
>>>>> and a forum to discuss any OpenCms / Portal / CMS needs:
>>>>> http://www.pomegranate.de:9000/cms/forum/index
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to your feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>> Arash
>>>>>
>>>>> www.pomegranate.de
>>>>> OpenCms Hosting Solutions
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks Arash. It is indeed a nice offer. I have setted an
>>>> OpenCMS
>>>
>>>> distro on my laptop so I assume I would like to play with it here
>>>> (this will allow me to check the db, and make a lot of tweaks around
>
>>>> ;-)).
>>>>
>>>> Definitely I will take a look at the links. I do have knowledge
>>>> about what a cms solution should provide and moreover I think I have
>
>>>> better
>>
>>>> knowledge of what I would like to have ;-). However, the cms market
>>>> seems very different and the approaches are quite
>> different
>>>> (f.e. I have spent the last
>>>> few weeks looking at OpenCMS, Magnolia and LifeRay, every of them
>>>> offering a completely different
>>>> approach).
>>>>
>>>> One of the common points however is the lack of this step-by-step
>>>> guide ;-). It will provide a new user with an improved starting
>>>> time,
>>
>>>> so as you may guess for the user it will be much more easier to
>>>> decide for a solution. I don't think this overlaps with the
>>> professional
>>>> (payed) services almost all
>>>> CMS providers are offering, but rather would help gain more and more
>
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>> these are my .02 euroc,
>>>> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
>>>>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru
>>>>> Popescu
>>>>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 12:43
>>>>> To: The OpenCms mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
>>>>> 8/6/2005 10:27 AM :#
>>>>>> Hi Lee,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For editors, this could be a good starting point (work in
>>>>>> progress):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pomegranate.de/en/OpenSource/OpenCMS/OpenCMS-OnlineHelp
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> h
>>>>>> t
>>>>>> m
>>>>>> l
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have other questions or suggestions to improve this
>>>>>> document,
>>>
>>>>>> feel free to ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if you are going to create your own templates, you shall read
>>>>>> through Alkacon Documentation and post your questions on this
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>> Arash
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.pomegranate.de
>>>>>> OpenCms Hosting Solutions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to find out a step-by-step or user manual how to set
>>>>> up a
>>>>
>>>>> full blown new site. While experimenting with different
>>>>> functionalities is kindda keen, I still don't have an overall
>>> picture.
>>>>> Yes, I agree this is also because I never used a cms product, but I
>>>>> think an intro would be welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
>>>>>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Lee
>>>>>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 10:17
>>>>>> To: opencms-dev at opencms.org
>>>>>> Subject: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm new to this list and OpenCms at all, is there any tutorial
>>>>>> available for newbies for a quick start?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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