[opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?

Arash Kaffamanesh arash.kaffamanesh at pomegranate.de
Sat Aug 6 17:02:28 CEST 2005 

> Afaik webdav is about versioning and locking through http protocol (or
I am completely wrong). I 
> think jsr 170 already mention them, but not in a requirement mode.

Versioning, Locking and Access Control are Optional Repository features
in JSR 170 Spec. The Jakarta Slide Project is the current Web-Dav aware
repository, which doesn't care about JSR 170 repos. Both of them are
allready in child shoes and will change the specs in the future and
therefore vendors of CM systems don't hurry to implement them, except
Magnolia, which has currently done the work for a JSR compliant repos
and OpenCms will do it in the near future, I hope at least :-)

I had a look on SnipSnap, a nice Wiki with blogging fuctionality
developed by Fraunhofer Institute in Germany, my Idea was to integrate
the blogging and RSS aggregation part into OpenCms, but not sure if it
is necessary, if other modules are currently over there for RSS
aggregation into OpenCms Content Repos.

Br,
Arash


-----Original Message-----
From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
[mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru Popescu
Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 15:36
To: The OpenCms mailing list
Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?


#: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
8/6/2005 2:38 PM :#
>> From my pov the most important feature would be the JSR170 support.
> Another one would be multiple
>> repository support (not only db based, or fs based).
> 
> I agree and I would add to the list of requiremets, that a good CMS 
> must have Web-Dav and RSS support, all of these features are in 
> planning / development and we are trying to get large companies to 
> sponsor this process and help OpenCms developers to become more 
> resources (more money == more developers)  and to get the whole thing 
> running faster and with better affordable documenation, training and 
> support :-)

Afaik webdav is about versioning and locking through http protocol (or I
am completely wrong). I 
think jsr 170 already mention them, but not in a requirement mode.

RSS should be something that can be easily developed with good
repositories, or am I wrong again? 
Providing a general solution for feed generation would be a great
example, but I don't think it can 
fit all options.

:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

> 
> Regards,
> Arash
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org 
> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru 
> Popescu
> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 15:03
> To: The OpenCms mailing list
> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
> 
> 
> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on 
> 8/6/2005 1:55 PM :#
>> So to put it together, I will recommend to stick with OpenSource and
>> particularly with OpenCms, OpenCms will become in the next generation

>> JSR 170 and 168 compliant, what else do you wish to have?
>> 
> 
>  From my pov the most important feature would be the JSR170 support. 
> Another one would be multiple repository support (not only db based, 
> or fs based).
> 
>> The lack in OpenCms is that the documentation is not very good, but
>> you can buy excellent documenation (over 1000 pages) and training
(3-5
> 
>> days)for it and I think that would be a very intelligent investment
>> which reduces cost in the futute!
>> 
> 
> Definitely I must stay in the oss world, as we finally we have to go 
> further with the system.
> 
> What documentation are you talking about? Can you point me to the 
> right direction? I have missed this part. I cannot decide yet if the 
> training is needed as I am not sure yet what solution we will
> adopt, but the documentation at a reasonable price would be indeed an
> intelligen investment.
> 
> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Arash
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru 
>> Popescu
>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 14:17
>> To: The OpenCms mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>> 
>> 
>> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
>> 8/6/2005 1:15 PM :#
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> Here is a List of Questions to answer before implementing a CMS:
>>> 
>>> Do you have an existing CMS deployed in your organization? Do you
>>> have currently a plan for evaluating and selecting (replacing) a
CMS?
> 
>>> Do you have a timeline for implementing a CMS? Which short- and
>>> long-terms goals are going to be achieved through a CMS?
>>> How many knowledge workers are involved in the evaluation process?
>>> Which roles (editors, approvers, publishers) are involved to take a
>>> decision?
>>> How many employees are going to use your CMS?
>>> Do you need a LDAP, MS ADS Interface?
>>> What kind of CMS are you going to implement (for Intranet, Internet,
>>> Extranet)?
>>> How many websites are going to manage with your CMS?
>>> How many languages shall your website provide to your visitors?
>>> Do you have to implement a workflow with your CMS?
>>> Shall your CMS be e-Commerce enabled?
>>> Which types of (structured) content are going to be published
> (events,
>>> press releases, eForms, FAQ's?
>>> How frequently does these types of content be updated? Shall other 
>>> Web Applications be integrated into your CMS? Which output formats 
>>> shall your CMS support (PDF, XML, WML)? Shall your CMS support 
>>> sitemaps to be generated automatically? Shall your CMS support 
>>> automatic menu navigation? Shall your CMS support publishing 
>>> reports? Shall your CMS provide document management functionalities 
>>> (e.g.
>> storage
>>> retrieval, regularity, or search in word, visio, autocad, etc. 
>>> docs)?
> 
>>> Shall your CMS support compliance as a process (that's the 
>>> functional
> 
>>> requirements of laws, regulations and records management)? Shall 
>>> your
> 
>>> CMS support Output management (automatic printing and archiving)? 
>>> Shall your CMS be managed / hosted internally or externally by a
> third
>>> party?
>>> Do you have programmers in house?
>>> Shall your CMS support multilingual websites?
>>> Shall your CMS provide spell checking?
>>> Shall your CMS be able to accept content via email?
>>> Shall your CMS provide an Interface to ERP or CRM systems? Shall 
>>> your Content Repository conform to JSR 170 standard? Shall your CMS 
>>> support dynamic image resizing? Shall your CMS provide a Voting 
>>> Module? Shall your CMS provide advanced search capabilities?
>>> Shall your CMS provide an Interface to (a) Payment Card Gateway(s)?
>>> Are you planning to integrate blogs into your portal?
>>> Are you planning to integrate Webservices, SOA, BPEL?
>>> Which technology do you prefere or have to continue with, JAVA,
.NET,
>>> others?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Arash
>>> 
>> 
>> This is a very good list of questions and I have to confess that it 
>> is
> 
>> longer than mine. Now considering you should adopt on of the existing
>> solutions (and maybe plug more functionality by your own) you can 
>> imagine how hard an evaluation is done without the tutorial we were 
>> talking about ;-).
>> 
>> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org 
>>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru 
>>> Popescu
>>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 13:48
>>> To: The OpenCms mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on 
>>> 8/6/2005 12:46 PM :#
>>>> Cheers :alex,
>>>> 
>>>> You wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to find out a step-by-step or user manual how to set
>>>>> up a
>>>> full blown new site. While
>>>>> experimenting with different functionalities is kindda keen, I
>>>>> still
>>>> don't have an overall picture.
>>>>> Yes, I agree this is also because I never used a cms product, but 
>>>>> I
>>>> think an intro would be welcomed.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok. I will try to write a step-by-step user manual for setting up a
>>>> "full blown new site" with OpenCms. Before doing that, I would
>> suggest
>>> 
>>>> to register your OpenCms Demo Account on our site at:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.pomegranate.de/opencms/opencms/en/emailform
>>>> 
>>>> After the registeration process, you will get your account data and
>>>> can beginn to play with the installation on our site to become 
>>>> familiar with OpenCms and have an idea what a CM system is and in 
>>>> particular how OpenCms supports the content management process for 
>>>> building 1st class websites and intranet document management 
>>>> systems.
>>>> 
>>>> But for now you can go to News&Links --> CMS Links on our site,
>>>> where you can find several Links to other CMS resources, e.g what
is
> 
>>>> a CMS?
>>>> 
>>>> We provide also OpenCms Shared and Dedicated Hosting Services for
>>>> SME's and individuals for an affordable price wit free email
support
> 
>>>> and a forum to discuss any OpenCms / Portal / CMS needs:
>>>> http://www.pomegranate.de:9000/cms/forum/index
>>>> 
>>>> Looking forward to your feedback.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Arash
>>>> 
>>>> www.pomegranate.de
>>>> OpenCms Hosting Solutions
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks Arash. It is indeed a nice offer. I have setted an
>>> OpenCMS
>> 
>>> distro on my laptop so I assume I would like to play with it here 
>>> (this will allow me to check the db, and make a lot of tweaks around

>>> ;-)).
>>> 
>>> Definitely I will take a look at the links. I do have knowledge 
>>> about what a cms solution should provide and moreover I think I have

>>> better
> 
>>> knowledge of what I would like to have ;-). However, the cms market 
>>> seems very different and the approaches are quite
> different
>>> (f.e. I have spent the last
>>> few weeks looking at OpenCMS, Magnolia and LifeRay, every of them
>>> offering a completely different 
>>> approach).
>>> 
>>> One of the common points however is the lack of this step-by-step 
>>> guide ;-). It will provide a new user with an improved starting 
>>> time,
> 
>>> so as you may guess for the user it will be much more easier to 
>>> decide for a solution. I don't think this overlaps with the
>> professional
>>> (payed) services almost all
>>> CMS providers are offering, but rather would help gain more and more

>>> users.
>>> 
>>> these are my .02 euroc,
>>> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org
>>>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru 
>>>> Popescu
>>>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 12:43
>>>> To: The OpenCms mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> #: Arash Kaffamanesh changed the world a bit at a time by saying on
>>>> 8/6/2005 10:27 AM :#
>>>>> Hi Lee,
>>>>>  
>>>>> For editors, this could be a good starting point (work in
>>>>> progress):
>>>>>  
>>>>> http://www.pomegranate.de/en/OpenSource/OpenCMS/OpenCMS-OnlineHelp
>>>>> .
>>>>> h
>>>>> t
>>>>> m
>>>>> l
>>>>>  
>>>>> If you have other questions or suggestions to improve this
>>>>> document,
>> 
>>>>> feel free to ask.
>>>>>  
>>>>> And if you are going to create your own templates, you shall read 
>>>>> through Alkacon Documentation and post your questions on this 
>>>>> list.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>> Arash
>>>>>  
>>>>> www.pomegranate.de
>>>>> OpenCms Hosting Solutions
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to find out a step-by-step or user manual how to set 
>>>> up a
>>> 
>>>> full blown new site. While experimenting with different
>>>> functionalities is kindda keen, I still don't have an overall
>> picture.
>>>> Yes, I agree this is also because I never used a cms product, but I
>>>> think an intro would be welcomed.
>>>> 
>>>> cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> :alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org 
>>>>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] On Behalf Of Lee
>>>>> Sent: Samstag, 6. August 2005 10:17
>>>>> To: opencms-dev at opencms.org
>>>>> Subject: [opencms-dev] OpenCms Tutorial for user?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I'm new to this list and OpenCms at all, is there any tutorial 
>>>>> available for newbies for a quick start?
>>>>>  
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Lee
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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