[opencms-dev] openCMS workflow - Please help!

Fri Jan 25 10:03:21 CET 2008

Hi Viki,

thank you for sharing the details. At first glance everything looks okay.
I'll run through your scenario mid of next week with a blank OpenCms 7
instance.

Some notes:

>I tried logging via Approval and Review group users, but it failed log-in.
I reckon you've set the wrong parent groups/roles for these groups. Try to
use "users" as parent groups.

>So i thought to do whole scenario using "Admin" id.
Performing these steps with admin should work always, regardless which
configuration you have

>selected "Review" project and saw that only this xml content is highlighted
and rest all are gray. Used "Admin" user
This behaviour is indented. You can only edit resources which belong to the
current project. If you have the rights to switch to the project the
resource belongs to, you can edit the resource there anyway.

One last thing: When you are editing the project details for
Offline/Approval/Review there is a section "Content / Resources:" - which
setting do you have there?

Hope I can come back with more information during next week
David

On Jan 24, 2008 4:49 PM, Vikrama Sanjeeva <viki.sanjeeva at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> * created 2 projects (Approval, Review) and used "Offline" as a 3rd
> project for Authoring/Creating content.
> * created 3 user groups (Approval, Review, Author)
> * created 3 users, one for each group above.
> * added workflow2 stages from 0-2.
> * there was a ready made content of my self defined xml type which I
> created via "Admin" user.
> * I right clicked that xml content and send it for "Review". Used "Admin"
> user
> * selected "Review" project and saw that only this xml content is
> highlighed and rest all are gray. Used "Admin" user
> * on right clicking this highlighted xml content and "empty bar"
> displayed.
>
> Thats all!
>
> I tried logging via Approval and Review group users, but it failed log-in.
> So i thought to do whole scenario using "Admin" id.
>
> I am still interested in achieveing this simple scenario from opencms
> workplace using "Workflow2".
>
> Bye,
> Viki.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2008 6:29 PM, David Trattnig <david.trattnig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Viki,
> >
> > I've tried to reconstruct your scenario, but I'm not sure about some
> > conditions:
> >
> > * Which user (+group +roles) are you using for these operations? Admin?
> > * Was it always the same user?
> > * Which resource type have you moved to project review?
> > * "*I found nothing. Means menu is empty. *" - Is there at least an
> > empty (small) gray bar or is there really nothing at all?
> > * Projects assignments: What's the project manager group (I've got
> > "Administrators")? What's the users group (I've got "Users")
> > * Which project resource assignments? I've got "/" for all projects.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David
> >
> >
> > 2008/1/23 Vikrama Sanjeeva <viki.sanjeeva at gmail.com >:
> >
> >  Hi David,
> > >
> > >      I'd installed Worfkow2 and created the projects, groups and users
> > > as you said in your email. Then I went to explorer view and selected one
> > > content. On right clicking the content, I found Approve/Reject option, on
> > > selecting it, I sent the content for Review. Then I selected Review from
> > > Project and found the same content highlighted there. Rest all other
> > > contents are grey BUT not disabled. Please note that, when i right clicked
> > > the highlighted content, i found nothing. Means menu is empty.
> > >
> > >     How to proceed further? Am I missing something? As of now, am
> > > interested in achieving "Approval Process" functionality from within the
> > > OpenCMS Workplace. I want to know how exactly Approval Process works using
> > > OpenCMS_Workflow2.
> > >
> > > Kindly advise further.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Bye,
> > > Viki.
> > >
> > >   On Jan 23, 2008 5:39 PM, David Trattnig <david.trattnig at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >  @Huy Tran: Thank you for the input. Yes, you have a point there -
> > > > it may be more comfortable when the user could approve/reject directly in
> > > > the website preview or inside the FCK editor. I've chosen the FCK Editor
> > > > approach for my previous workflow implementation. Maybe I'll add this
> > > > feature to the current one anytime later but keep in mind this is just more
> > > > a UI thing. Wherever you initiate your approval process you have to
> > > > implement some logic for managing workflow states in every case. And that's
> > > > the major amount of work.
> > > >
> > > > I would be very interested how you have realised the different
> > > > workflow states in detail? Does it also perform permission modifications?
> > > > Would be happy if you have some more input/ideas for me.
> > > >
> > > > @Viki: Sorry, currently you can just approve/reject via the
> > > > workplace context menu. If you want you can add these functionalities
> > > > yourself and contribute ;-)
> > > >
> > > > @Alkakon: I'm wondering why my mails are alway boucing back (see
> > > > below, opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org)?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 23, 2008 8:17 AM, Vikrama Sanjeeva <viki.sanjeeva at gmail.com >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > David, I have downloaded the full-package
> > > > > (OpenCms_Workflow2_v0.4.1_full-package.zip ~ 4.73MB ).  I will
> > > > > install it. However, as Huy Tran said, I am also looking to achieve this
> > > > > functionality out of workplace. Means, a toolbar will be there right on
> > > > > website which will allow customers to create/edit/publish contents using pre
> > > > > defined customize process. Lets say it "Approval Process".
> > > > >
> > > > >   Could this be done via "OpenCms_Workflow2" ? OR as Huy Tran
> > > > > said, I will have to develop the Approval Process manually using OpenCMS
> > > > > API?
> > > > >
> > > > >   This is the time for me to decide the right approach for my
> > > > > requirement. I will appreciate any guidence/help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bye,
> > > > > Viki.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2008/1/23 <HuyTran at c-mg.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > >   Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think this is very good. I first came up with the same ideas
> > > > > > but our customers who is Reviewers and Approvers don't want to work in the
> > > > > > workplace, they want to use a toolbar on the page itself to approve or
> > > > > > reject the pages. So if your customer feel easy to work in the workplace, I
> > > > > > think this is the best solution.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good lucks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Huy Tran
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  ------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *From:* opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org [mailto:
> > > > > > opencms-dev-bounces at opencms.org] *On Behalf Of *David Trattnig
> > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:57 PM
> > > > > > *To:* The OpenCms mailing list
> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [opencms-dev] openCMS workflow - Please help!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Viki
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > * user A created a content
> > > > > > > * content went for to user B.
> > > > > > > * user B either Rejects or Approves content
> > > > > > > * if B approves, it went to C
> > > > > > > * Finally C publishes the content
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would say that's the main functionality of the *OpenCms
> > > > > > Workflow2 Module* which can be found here
> > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=180314(Download the latest full package version). As you don't need advanced
> > > > > > workflow features I reckon this workflow implementation fits best for you.
> > > > > > Especially you don't need to modify/rebuild the OpenCms core as
> > > > > > *Huy Tran* suggested and configuration is very easy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First of all you've to create three projects for the three types
> > > > > > of users A, B and C and assign these users (respectively their usergroups)
> > > > > > to the projects (I've named the projects "Offline", which is already
> > > > > > available, "Review" and "Approval"). Don't forget to assign all three
> > > > > > projects to the same directory ("/", *root *suggested).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then go on with the quick installation guide:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    1. Import the *commons*, *springmanager *and * workflow2*module via OpenCms module import mechanism.
> > > > > >    2. Copy opencms-workplace.xml to
> > > > > >    %OPENCMS_DIR%\WEB-INF\config\ (replace current configuration)
> > > > > >    3. Restart your server.
> > > > > >    4. As a final step you have to create your workflow inside
> > > > > >    the workflow administration panel of OpenCms. Voilá!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's all. The Workflow2 Module automatically uses the OpenCms
> > > > > > DB connection without configuration. If you need advanced DB configuration
> > > > > > have a look at *readme.txt *inside the distribution package. In
> > > > > > case of problems just leave me a message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have fun
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  2008/1/22 Vikrama Sanjeeva <viki.sanjeeva at gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks all. Well, i am least interested in doing all the
> > > > > > manually using openCMS API. However, I am now looking for free workflow
> > > > > > engines for openCMS. The is the decision time for us as we are going to
> > > > > > build client's website on openCMS and providing functinalities of workflow
> > > > > > like the one i mentioned in my 1st post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   Which opencms-workflow engine is more mature? In terms of less
> > > > > > bugs, easy to use and providing basic workflow functionalities?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here are two which I know. One is by Mr. Shi Yusen
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1: OpenCms-jBPM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2: Bearingpoint-OpenCms-Modules Commons
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please help me in selecting suitable workflow engine for
> > > > > > openCMS?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bye,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Viki.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 21, 2008 9:43 PM, Shi Yusen <shiys at langhua.cn> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps you can try our free OpenCms-jBPM module. It's here:
> > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/jbpm-opencms/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 在 2008-01-21一的 17:24 +0300 ，Vikrama Sanjeeva写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi ALL,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   This is urgent question and am looking for help and guidence
> > > > > > in this
> > > > > > > regard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is below workflow achievable using openCMS?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > * user A created a content
> > > > > > > * content went for to user B.
> > > > > > > * user B either Rejects or Approves content
> > > > > > > * if B approves, it went to C
> > > > > > > * Finally C publishes the content
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > this is simple workflow. Please tell me how I can achieve this
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > workflow in openCMS?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bye,
> > > > > > > Viki.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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